An XC90 comes in........

"EL_ULY" (uly) 04/15/2015 at 12:00 • Filed to: None

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Cute girl just got purchased a 2006 XC90 from CL not too long ago. Suddenly, the CEL and ABS lights came on. She requested we look it over.

Plugged the Dice in it, did a system check on VIDA, and looked it over...

-Needs entire ABS pump and control unit plus software reload

-Front Fog lights are cracked, she wanted a price

-Fault found in acceleration pedal

-Fault found in ECM plus software reload

-Spring seats are busted (plus alignment)

-Fuel rail pressure sensor has a fault code

with diag check out, labor, and tax, she is looking around $6800.

OPPO CHALLENGE:

How will you perceive this vehicle? Specifically, if someone is looking for a car and they ask you if the Volvo XC90 is a good car. Do you tell them...

A. From what I have heard, they are safe and fairly reliable. Online reviews are pretty positive and it shouldn't give you too many issues. Plus, it has a lot of safety features both active and passive. I can't recall of anything bad that is too common on those. Definitely go at least check it out and test drive it.

or

B. Don't get an XC90. I heard that a bunch of ECU's go out on them all the time and they are suuuuper expensive to fix. One time on OPPO, this one person's XC90 needed like $7000 in repairs. It's not worth it, look for something else.

Alternate answer would be, "Get a C5 Z06 and fuck the police!"

Note, I have never sold that ABS pump but other dealers have. Not common at all just like the acceleration pedal. It is difficult to know on ANY car what exactly are the common issues. Also, there can be one of the exact same vehicle to never have issues and another to have a bunch more. Luck of the draw?

Party-vi > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:04

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Are you sure the alignment isn't throwing the codes for the ABS module? The same thing just happened to my E46 because the steering angle sensor was off. Can you check to see if ABS engages?

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:05

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Doesn't seem like anything major but a lot of little things, I feel this will be a trend in vehicles moving forward as they get more and more complicated.

Volvo of now isn't the Volvo off the 244 era but still reliable. Overall, stuff being from Sweden doesn't help the price point either though.

ly2v8-Brian > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:07

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alternative answer: If Volvo you want 740 you get.

bob and john > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:08

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Id say: They are good if they have been maintained well. If you come across one with condensed/yellowed headlights, dirty, not cared for, run away. run far away.

If they have been cared for, I would recommened one 100%

For Sweden > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:09

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The XC90 is a fine car. I however would not pay $100 for a new accelerator pedal.

E. Julius > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:11

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I love computer programs that just give no fucks and refuse to catch up with the five generations of GUI design that have passed by since this era. If it ain't broke don't fix it, right?

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:14

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When you started the story with cute girl I thought I'd be reading about her getting a discount. Not how I pictured this story ending up.

On a completely unrelated note, how's your dad making out with his truck?

EL_ULY > For Sweden 04/15/2015 at 12:15

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I'll do $85 but i'm going lower than that

Coty > For Sweden 04/15/2015 at 12:15

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Just get this instead.

EL_ULY > bob and john 04/15/2015 at 12:16

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very weathered headlamps is always an instant red flag

EL_ULY > E. Julius 04/15/2015 at 12:16

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that is our owner's logic lol :] A billionaire that drives an 1982 Volvo 240 wagon :] My hero

EL_ULY > ly2v8-Brian 04/15/2015 at 12:17

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best logic ever!

EL_ULY > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif 04/15/2015 at 12:19

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very true sir. 5-10 years from now, the average person will start feeling similar pain... that's when I swoop in and start buying cars for cheap, fix then equally cheap, then flip sauce!

ly2v8-Brian > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:20

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many thanks great blue one.

505Turbeaux > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:20

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And of course, 05+ ABS modules cant be resoldered like the old style 850/v70 ones. I have a stash of those around all soldered up and ready to go should I ever get another 850/V70 with ABS/TRACS. I wouldn't ever recommend those to anyone. I think they are ok, drive ok, but are nuts to fix unless you do your own wrenching. But then again, if you are going to wrench on it grab an 04 down because at least when your fuel pump dies you can look to a relay on it and not think you have to replace the ECU. Ugh Volvo, what have you done to yourselves.

OK alternate question, if Volvo was to come out with a true 240/740/940 successor, do you think it would be viable? Simple car, simple to fix, boxy as hell with few options to break, 25-35K price point. I have been thinking this for years and cannot see why they cannot do it, if they weren't so invested in going tete-a-tete with BMW, Audi and Benz

EL_ULY > Party-vi 04/15/2015 at 12:21

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Correct, it would throw a steering angle sensor code if it was way off. Plus, an SRS light would appear. Not the case here. This pump is D E D dead. Alignment is for the spring seats since the shock/spindle bolts are loosened

Nibbles > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:21

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Would "I want a new XC90" be an acceptable answer?

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:24

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It will be, especially with the cost of labour always increasing.

ULY-varish?

KatzManDu > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:24

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am thinking weak battery confused the ECU which explains all the fuel-delivery fault codes (gas pedal, fuel rail, ECU fault itself.)

Reset all codes. See if it breaks again. Test battery.

EL_ULY > Nibbles 04/15/2015 at 12:24

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me and you both. We are getting our first one in soon. I think maybe next week. It's going to be a 1927 edition with every option. Will take picks and post on OPPO

Party-vi > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:25

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How many miles are on it?

EL_ULY > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 04/15/2015 at 12:25

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lol, sometime my manager gets soft with a customer that is easy on the eyes lol.

An adjuster is going to take the truck to a body shop to get the numbers today.

Nibbles > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:26

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Any chance you may see seat time? I got a FPer right now bitching about the new XC stating, and I quote, " Volvo's 4-pot doesn't hold a candle to any 6-pot, not even nearly ." And I'd really really love to put this assturd in his place

EL_ULY > 505Turbeaux 04/15/2015 at 12:32

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The internals of the pump are shit. So bad that is gets suuuper hot if you activate it on VIDA.

Volvo's main line will just be alternated of the XC90's SPA platform (S60, V60, XC60). The SPC platform will be for the S40,V40, C30, C70 successors (confirmed). Volvo also has confirmed the S90/V90 replacement probably for the Chinese market only on a different platform. I don't think they will do a true 240/740/940 successor because of how well the S60 is doing worldwide and that also makes me sad :'(

EL_ULY > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif 04/15/2015 at 12:34

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lol :]

EL_ULY > KatzManDu 04/15/2015 at 12:37

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batt is good, codes do not go away. Pump internals are crap. If activated on VIDA, it starts to smoke from how how it gets. Pressure sensor, ECM, and pedal codes are permanent. A simple reset will not fix this car unfortunately. Those parts are bad

EL_ULY > Party-vi 04/15/2015 at 12:37

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130K ish. Control arm bushings are fine

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:40

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On that day you had better get this man to the front of the line because he is very important!!

Alex B > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:40

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Get a Volvo XC90 with Carmax Maxcare® Warranty

MultiplaOrgasms > Nibbles 04/15/2015 at 12:42

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Except if the six-pot in question is as old as the scandinavian mountains.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > E. Julius 04/15/2015 at 12:44

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I hate it when director's, board members, etc dictate that we should stay on one of these platforms. Innovation and moving tech forward are my bread and butter, and I don't have time to learn from Jimbob how he has been jury-rigging this system to work for the last 12 years.

If a new system management member takes over and cannot figure out what the hell was done to get the system operating in the first place, it's gotta go bitch.

DoYouEvenShift > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:45

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Z06 and police thingy

EL_ULY > Nibbles 04/15/2015 at 12:45

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Oh for sure. I've driven plenty of cars here with the new T-6. It drives incredible! The power is all through the rev range. Plus, no more goofy REED gear issues of that thirsty 3.2

good engine, but the engineering and tech of the new T-6 is beyond incredible. Especially since it is now 100% Volvo made

EL_ULY > Alex B 04/15/2015 at 12:46

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well.... yeah :]

EL_ULY > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 04/15/2015 at 12:47

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lol awesome gif

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:49

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Steadily building my gif folder back up. I probably had a couple gig previously

EL_ULY > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 04/15/2015 at 12:50

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oh dayum!!!!!

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:52

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I did love driving that Polestar package XC70 but they were as high as your run of the mill high school sophomore in Boulder, CO

Party-vi > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:54

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They don't build them like they used to, eh?

I wouldn't let any of those items throw me off purchasing an older XC90 - how often do ABS pumps go out? I've never heard of it being a common issue.

RallyWrench > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 12:56

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I generally don't recommend the XC90 past 100k, especially the T6 or V8s. They're somewhere between the 1st gen BMW X5 (best) and 1st gen MBZ ML or VW Touareg (worst) in quality & longevity for Euro SUVs. That first 100 is great, but they tend not to age very well after that, and given their values at that point, they find their way into the hands of people looking for a safe, cheap family hauler but who are unprepared for the maintenance and repair costs commensurate with a $50k European car. At least the T5 is almost impossible to kill.

EL_ULY > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 04/15/2015 at 12:59

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oh man, much want!!!!

Nibbles > MultiplaOrgasms 04/15/2015 at 13:00

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For such a lofty statement, the only proof he can bring to the table is that it sounds bad

Well I think V6s sound bad, so there NYAH

Alex B > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 13:00

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Does she have sufficient funds to cover the repairs?

EL_ULY > RallyWrench 04/15/2015 at 13:01

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very true sir. Though, most honestly don't completely fall apart. I say 50/50

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 13:02

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It was the only car we tested that even remotely was as fun to drive, as comfortable, or as nice inside and out as our 13 year old land rover, lol

EL_ULY > Party-vi 04/15/2015 at 13:03

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I have never sold the part here ever. Modules yes, but never a whole pump assembly. It's not common but other dealers have replace 2-3 in the way past

DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully > ly2v8-Brian 04/15/2015 at 13:04

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Replce 740 with 940 and you're right. The 940 is all the great things about the 740, but with a better interior.

EL_ULY > Alex B 04/15/2015 at 13:05

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they called but left a message

NoneOfYourBiz > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 15:46

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How will you perceive this vehicle? Specifically, if someone is looking for a car and they ask you if the Volvo XC90 is a good car.

I'd say "not unless it's cheap, well maintained, and has a service history."

There are vehicles that don't make sense to own even if they're given to you.

EL_ULY > NoneOfYourBiz 04/15/2015 at 15:47

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that's a good line sir :]

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > EL_ULY 04/15/2015 at 18:46

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Something tells me those lights came on exactly 100 miles after she bought the car.